Posts by Adonais Child

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About the JW's Practices and Beliefs

by kwr in

i still can't figure out why the jw's are so hostile to their fellow christians.

i was reading a old yearbook and the writer put "christian" in quotes when talking about meeting a follower of a different church.

their actions and doctrine show hate of others and not love.

Adonais Child

" I wonder when the King destroys the Earthly Kingdom"

Jesus in His return will destroy the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet then setup His kingdom on this earth. After the white throne judgment God will destroy all by fire to purify the earth from the curse.

"I still can't figure out why the JW's are so hostile to their fellow Christians"

I follow my Lord Christ and profess to be a Christian. I do not necessarily adhere to a denomination but from my study of the JW's, not ever having being one. The Jesus that they follow is a false christ. Therefore JW's are not christians. If they read their bible to see what Jesus is about and who He is they would spot the false teaching and outright heresy that is proclaimed in the kingdom halls.

I had a friend whose wife was a JW and he was taking classes to become a JW. His wife cheated on him with an elder of the Hall. She was told if she came and repented all would be forgiven. She did this, her ex-husband went with her as a character witness for "her". She was DF and the elder was moved to another town. Her father being an elder could no longer associate with her. He bought a travel agency and gave it to her just so he could have some kind of contact with her, him being part owner. If any JW's knock on my door I ask them about this and the usual response is I don't know anything about it. But they were in the congregation. How many are in the congregation of anything and something like this happens and you didn't hear about it, yeah right. Jesus forgave Peter for denying Him not once but 3 times, this woman repented and got condemnation. JWs do not follow the Jesus I know and the Jesus I read about in the bible.

"found it odd that Jesus would have a person write seven insulting letters to his Churches rather then to encourage them as Paul did"

The seven letters to the churches, except for one which had no chastisement in it, were for reprove the churches for their failures, just like you chastise a child to correct their behavior. It was an insult to Jesus to have to say anything to them when they already knew what they were supposed to be doing.

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Perfect, Nearly Perfect, and Mostly Perfect....Religion

by jgnat in

kero-kero's goodbye post brought me to mind a common complaint amongst jw apologists, that all we do is bring up the bad stuff and old history.

after all, "nobody's perfect".

well, that would be fine and dandy if the wtbts hadn't set themselves up as the sole mouthpiece for jehovah in these 'last days'.

Adonais Child

If I know there is a bomb in a building and I go into said building, am I condemning for saying something to those in the building or am I trying to save them from death?

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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible

by Spectrum in

if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.

Adonais Child

"God supposedly gave us a written guide. This guide, given man's nature, is open to all sorts of interpretations as exhibited by 1000 christian denominations and a billion muslims. Man's nature is to destroy a wolf it comes in contact with that is from another wolf pack, we are not that different from animals. God supposedly knows man's nature but for reason's only known to himself proceeded to go down this path of "enlightenment" that would lead to carnage and given man's nature this outcome is highly predictable. This book cannot therefore be from God."

I see your point and I reiterate that you are dealing with man's interpretation of the bible. Granted it gets skewed, misuse, and great atrocities are justified by its use. That does not make the bible the culprit; it makes man the culprit for the interpretation of it. I hold beliefs different to other denominations of Christianity but do I get on a soap box and condemn them for it, no I don't. If they are saved and my brothers and sisters in Christ then I pray for them, as the bible tells me too, not go out and beat them into submission. It is man's nature to destroy what is different but the bible doesn't teach this so saying "it is open to all sorts of interpretations" is correct but that is man interfering with the intent and message of the bible not the bible causing man to interpret it incorrectly and act on those incorrect interpretations. You are blaming the goat for being a goat because he gets eaten.

God does know man's nature, he created us and he knew that we would interpret things incorrectly and you can look at history and see attempts to straighten these things out but there is one fundamental element here that is not being given credit. We are sinful in nature, not just in act. If you want man to interpret the bible correctly, live by its commandments and ways, and make the world is a better place you are looking for utopia which mankind cannot bring about. Sin gets in the way of all things and until it is removed from this world it will continue to taint all things from the earth to human beings. The bible is a guide to many things but it is amoral. The bible itself cannot have morality but man who reads and interprets it does. And it is his actions that are being judged. You are looking for God to give perfection by way of the bible, it isn't going to happen. The bible is a guide as you have said and a guide is open to interpretation.

This pathway of "enlightenment" is highly predictable to have the outcome it does but not always, by God's love do we have a choice instead of being made automatons. Would you rather choose to obey or be made to obey? If you were a JW I already know the answer to that question. God's pathway to enlightenment is possible as it is written, man chooses to change that path.

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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible

by Spectrum in

if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.

Adonais Child

"God supposedly gave us a written guide. This guide, given man's nature, is open to all sorts of interpretations as exhibited by 1000 christian denominations and a billion muslims. Man's nature is to destroy a wolf it comes in contact with that is from another wolf pack, we are not that different from animals. God supposedly knows man's nature but for reason's only known to himself proceeded to go down this path of "enlightenment" that would lead to carnage and given man's nature this outcome is highly predictable. This book cannot therefore be from God." I see your point and I reiterate that you are dealing with man's interpretation of the bible. Granted it gets skewed, misuse, and great atrocities are justified by its use. That does not make the bible the culprit; it makes man the culprit for the interpretation of it. I hold beliefs different to other denominations of Christianity but do I get on a soap box and condemn them for it, no I don't. If they are saved and my brothers and sisters in Christ then I pray for them, as the bible tells me too, not go out and beat them into submission. It is man's nature to destroy what is different but the bible doesn't teach this so saying "it is open to all sorts of interpretations" is correct but that is man interfering with the intent and message of the bible not the bible causing man to interpret it incorrectly and act on those incorrect interpretations. You are blaming the goat for being a goat because he gets eaten. God does know man's nature, he created us and he knew that we would interpret things incorrectly and you can look at history and see attempts to straighten these things out but there is one fundamental element here that is not being given credit. We are sinful in nature, not just in act. If you want man to interpret the bible correctly, live by its commandments and ways, and make the world is a better place you are looking for utopia which mankind cannot bring about. Sin gets in the way of all things and until it is removed from this world it will continue to taint all things from the earth to human beings. The bible is a guide to many things but it is amoral. The bible itself cannot have morality but man who reads and interprets it does. And it is his actions that are being judged. You are looking for God to give perfection by way of the bible, it isn't going to happen. The bible is a guide as you have said and a guide is open to interpretation. This pathway of "enlightenment" is highly predictable to have the outcome it does but not always, by God's love do we have a choice instead of being made automatons. Would you rather choose to obey or be made to obey? If you were a JW I already know the answer to that question. God's pathway to enlightenment is possible as it is written, man chooses to change that path.

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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible

by Spectrum in

if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.

Adonais Child

Grouper, In the devil's pride and arrogance whether he thinks he can win or not isn't in the equation. Now that he is defeated by the life saving work of Jesus on cross there is but one thing left for him. Hurt god as much as he can. He has a hatred for God that is unsurpassed. So what better way to go out, in his mind, than to take as many with him, hurt as many as he can, and make as many Christians ineffectual for the Kingdom as he can. In revelation after he is defeated in heaven his anger is poured out on the Jews. He knows without a doubt he is defeated by this point, one would think. But his methodology has always been to "devour".

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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible

by Spectrum in

if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.

Adonais Child

Jesus paid our sin debt suffering the wrath of God in our place. Man beat and tortured Jesus. The blood had to be spilt and by Jesus' love for us did He undergo that.

"What direction has the bible given mankind, that say, Buddha didn't? Isn't Buddhism more peaceful than the abrahamic religions"

Don't judge a religion by its abuses. Muslims are killing muslims claiming it is right by the Koran. Athiest have killed more than their fair share as well. The direction given is not he direction taken. The logic is mankind has recieved the message (Gospel) now what will mankind do with it. I know of Christians that give the faith a black eye, makes me wonder about their salvation. I know Christians that are the poster child for the direction that the bible gives. So are you passing judgement on the direction the bible has given or what mankind has done with that direction.

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The Devil couldn't have done a better job, assuming God inspired the Bible

by Spectrum in

if you were a mean spirited, nasty supernatural being that wanted to reek havok on human civilisation how would you go about doing it?

inspire people to write several versions of a book, call it holy, then get people to slavishly follow the version that they prefer and die for it when they come in contact with a different version.

could a kind, all powerful, gracious god have ever inspired such a book.

Adonais Child

If the devil did inspire the Bible, for arguments sake. Why would he have given a direction that is opposite of his. I will inspire a book that will cause controversy even unto death that will benefit me by telling everyone to be good, righteous, and holy. They won't do anything I want them to do and will get to a point and understand love and forgiveness.

If God didn't inspire the scriptures wouldn't it make better sense to not have a bible at all? Why give a road map to someone who is lost?

Other side of the coin

If God did inspire the scriptures it gives us a road map to salvation, to serve Him and to do the work of the Kingdom. We will never triumph on our own. Utopia is a fantasy if there is only mankind to bring it around. There is hope and that is in Jesus Christ and the inspired scriptures which tell us how it will end, in that we have hope being the ones living in the enemies midst.

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Jesus: What is he?

by jstalin in

i have a question regarding jw doctrine:.

what is jesus?

i went to one memorial and he was described as the "perfect man," like adam.

Adonais Child

The Jews understood what He was claiming, and rightfully so...

John 10:27-33

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one. 31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God.

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Do we have non-Biblical evidence that Jesus Christ existed?

by Inquisitor in

what non-biblical, historical evidence proves or supports the notion that jesus once existed as a living, breathing jewish man?

i'll start with the one that i used to swear by back when i was a good jw.

the roman historian suetonius (c. 69-140 c.e.

Adonais Child

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html An article on secular evidence of Jesus' existence with sources.

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"Damned Forever."

by scout575 in

"the christian church is a clever mix of psychological tactics.

having got you in with a promise of 'free' salvation, they keep you there with psychological blackmail.".

"the christian church is as guilty of the tricks used by cults which it purports to detest ( moonies, mormons, jehovah's witnesses et alia ).

Adonais Child

If I understand correctly there is a regimen that a Witness must adhere to in accordance to receiving salvation. This is a works theology that the New Testament in the Holy, Inerrant, God breathed scriptures does not teach: 2 Tim 1:9 Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.. Eph 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. There are numerous others that could be quoted but works theology is heresy and against the teachings of God's word.